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[singing]

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[man] <i>The thing inside of me,</i>
<i>it's like...</i>

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<i>The appetite,</i>
<i>it's like a wolf that's...</i>

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<i>feeling the hunger.</i>

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[Sahni] <i>Sheila LaBarre</i>
<i>is a 47-year-old widow,</i>

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<i>and she's inherited</i>
<i>this farm property</i>
<i>and this farmhouse</i>

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<i>from her</i>
<i>late husband's estate,</i>
<i>Dr. LaBarre.</i>

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What the community does know
about Sheila LaBarre

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is that
since she became a widow,

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she has this revolving door
of young males

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<i>that come up to the property</i>
<i>either to do work,</i>
<i>or for companionship.</i>

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LaBarre has set her sights
on Kenneth Countie,

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who's only 24 at this time.

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And is somebody
who's functioning,

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perhaps like
a younger individual,
according to his mom

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given his history
of learning difficulties,
et cetera.

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<i>It is alarming.</i>

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<i>She's manipulative.</i>

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She's every boy
mom's nightmare.

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So the police have gone
to check on Kenny

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and they find him
at LaBarre's property,

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and he's seemingly fine
and he's an adult,

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so there's really
nothing to do about this.

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And they leave,
but LaBarre
is enraged by this.

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<i>And so she contacts police</i>
<i>and is threatening</i>
<i>toward them.</i>

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<i>She's so grandiose</i>
<i>and narcissistic</i>
<i>in her comments, you know.</i>

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<i>"Don't I pay your salary?"</i>

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Basically, "You have a job
because of me."

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It's just really
a lack of respect
for law enforcement

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and a sense of entitlement
that's really shocking.

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Interestingly,
she initiates a phone call

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to the Epping
Police Department,

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lets them know
about this recording she has,

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where she self-appointed
law-enforcement,

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has begun to interrogate
Kenneth Countie,

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and he has admitted,
supposedly, on this audio tape

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to crimes
that his mother has committed,

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as well as crimes
he's committed.

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<i>It should be noted</i>
<i>and clearly stated</i>

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<i>that they have</i>
<i>absolutely no information</i>

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or credible data
to support that
there's any truth

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to the claims
that LaBarre is making

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<i>about Kenny Countie</i>
<i>or his mother.</i>

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[Tussey]
<i>It's possible she's laying</i>
<i>the groundwork</i>

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<i>that if it gets exposed,</i>
<i>that she was the one</i>
<i>that killed Kenneth,</i>

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that somehow that will
be forgiven or justified

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because, you know,
he looked like a pedophile.

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<i>"So I would be doing</i>
<i>everybody a favor</i>
<i>if I ended up killing him."</i>

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[male reporter] <i>When officers</i>
<i>arrived at LaBarre's,</i>

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<i>they went past the gate</i>
<i>blocking the public road</i>
<i>leading up to her house.</i>

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<i>They walked past</i>
<i>two burn piles</i>
<i>in the front yard.</i>

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<i>In one of them,</i>
<i>they saw bones sticking out.</i>

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<i>No one answered the door,</i>
<i>so they kicked it in.</i>

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<i>But before</i>
<i>they could get inside,</i>

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<i>LaBarre appeared,</i>
<i>eventually kicking them out.</i>

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[Sahni]
<i>Once the police explain to her</i>

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<i>that they're concerned</i>
<i>about Kenny's whereabouts</i>

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and they're
just trying to locate him,

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what we see is a woman
who is emotionally up
and down,

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she doesn't know what to think
about Kenny's disappearance,

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but when they ask her directly
where he is,

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<i>she says he's in that bag</i>
<i>as if it's a matter</i>
<i>of fact thing.</i>

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She talks about
how she was cremating
a rabbit.

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She has lots of rabbits
and animals on the property,

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and when they
pass away naturally,

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that's how
she disposes of them.

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<i>It seems reasonable</i>
<i>that not only does she know</i>
<i>where Kenny is,</i>

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but that Kenny
is not alive anymore.

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Most humans
cannot fit in a retail bag.

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And so he's not only dead,
but he may not even be
in one piece.

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[Sahni]
<i>LaBarre is starting to play</i>
<i>this cat and mouse game</i>

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<i>with the police,</i>

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and that kind
of zigzag approach

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to how somebody
answers questions,

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that doesn't make
a whole lot of sense,

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they're talking
out of both sides
of their mouth,

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it's something we commonly see
in psychopathic individuals.

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[Rosenberg]
<i>When they speak to her,</i>

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LaBarre becomes
hysterical and very defiant.

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And to me, this says,

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she's lost control
of the situation,

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and she's now going to try
to use theatrical displays
of emotion

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to kind of
diffuse responsibility
and control the conversation

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because it's hard to continue
with the line of questioning.

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[male reporter]
<i>The lane leading to this</i>
<i>Epping, New Hampshire, farm</i>

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<i>has been blocked off</i>
<i>with police tapes</i>
<i>since Saturday.</i>

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<i>The grounds turned</i>
<i>into something that resembles</i>
<i>a crime scene,</i>

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<i>all part of a massive effort</i>
<i>to find 24-year-old</i>
<i>Kenneth Countie.</i>

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<i>But New Hampshire authorities</i>
<i>refuse to say</i>

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<i>whether they believe a crime</i>
<i>has been committed here,</i>

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<i>despite the signs</i>
<i>around the property</i>
<i>owned by Sheila LaBarre.</i>

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While detectives may be
quite sure at this point

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that Sheila LaBarre
has likely killed him,

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and they likely have
his human remains in this bag

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that was found
on her property,

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it's not helpful to them
unless they can get
a confession from her.

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[Rosenberg]
<i>She immediately</i>
<i>changes his name</i>

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and kind of subsumes
his identity

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and exerts full control
over his movement.

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Almost like
when you get a pet,
you name it.

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<i>One thing that that keeps</i>
<i>coming back to me</i>

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is that the rabbit trapped
in a cage on the floor,

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in her complete control,
is almost reminiscent
of the MO of her crime

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'cause she's trapping men
in her property

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and then taking full control
and ownership of them.

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At one point, she takes
the rabbit out of the cage

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and she has the rabbit
on her lap.

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And she's petting him,
and kind of treating him
tenderly.

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<i>And it's chilling,</i>
<i>because she's</i>
<i>already mentioned</i>

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<i>that she's regularly</i>
<i>incinerating rabbits.</i>

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<i>The rabbit in the room,</i>
<i>this is almost as a metaphor</i>

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<i>for how she treats the men.</i>

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This is very consistent
with what we would see

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with a psychopathic individual
who is often proud
of their behavior

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and want people
to take notice.

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<i>All these behaviors</i>
<i>are consistent</i>

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<i>with a lack of regard</i>
<i>for human life</i>

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and an absence
of empathy towards others.

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[LaBarre crying]

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[Sahni] <i>What we</i>
<i>sometimes see more often</i>

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in female
psychopathic individuals

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is this willingness
to turn on the waterworks,

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just start crying,
It comes out of nowhere,

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and as spontaneously
as it happens,

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and as dramatic as it is,

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it spontaneously dries up
just as much as a drought.

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At first she's mentioning
again pedophilia,

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but it doesn't seem like

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the investigators
are biting, really.

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They don't seem to be
that intrigued by that,

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so LaBarre
just keeps piling it on.

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Okay, he is
going to rob her also.

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And, "Oh, and by the way,
he also does heroin."

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It's like everything
she can do to create
this impression of him.

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<i>She's really trying to paint</i>
<i>two pictures, I think,</i>
<i>at once,</i>

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<i>and that is of him</i>
<i>being a bad person,</i>

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<i>and her being superior to him.</i>

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It's consistent
with a psychopath.

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She's lying
and misrepresenting
and being very deceitful

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<i>in the delivery</i>
<i>of information,</i>

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<i>to paint the picture that,</i>
<i>"Oh, this person deserved it."</i>

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<i>Or to shift blame</i>
<i>off of herself onto him</i>

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<i>and almost</i>
<i>to paint the picture</i>

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<i>that maybe she's even a hero.</i>

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That she was able
to stop an individual

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from doing future crimes

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or engaging
in kind of improper behaviors.

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What we start to see
with LaBarre

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is this overfocus
or preoccupation
with sex, with sexuality.

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And an interesting interaction
between that and violence.

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And when we start
to think about how
those thoughts bleed together,

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the urges to be violent,
and when she's talking
about sexual topics,

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you have to wonder if there is
a presence of sexual sadism

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<i>or sadistic tendencies</i>
<i>within this person.</i>

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[all laughing]

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I have my card,
there's only one...

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Kenneth and Sheila
were seen at Walmart.

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And what witnesses describe

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is that Kenneth Countie
looked green, he looked sick,
frail.

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<i>He was being pushed</i>
<i>in a wheelchair by LaBarre,</i>

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and he looked
bruised and battered.

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<i>She just laughed it off</i>
<i>and minimized it and said,</i>

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<i>"Oh, we were</i>
<i>just playing around</i>
<i>with the wheelchair for fun."</i>

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<i>She becomes very glib</i>
<i>about the whole thing,</i>

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and what we don't ever see
is any real emotion.

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It paints the picture
of some sadistic tendencies

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on LaBarre.

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It makes you wonder, you know.
Was she torturing him?

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What exactly
was she doing to him?

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And then to parade him around
at a Walmart or anywhere,
it's pretty brazen.

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You know, you know
you're going out in public,

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and you know
there's surveillance video,

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but there is also this sense
that she doesn't care.

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[female reporter]
<i>Authorities in Epping</i>
<i>have confirmed</i>

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<i>that they've discovered</i>
<i>human remains</i>
<i>on the LaBarre property.</i>

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<i>A search of the burn piles</i>
<i>has turned up hedge clippers</i>
<i>and a knife.</i>

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[Sahni]
<i>What they also find</i>
<i>inside the home</i>

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<i>are multiple sources of blood.</i>

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<i>Some at different stages</i>
<i>of decomposition,</i>

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which suggests that, clearly,
that home is a crime scene
from multiple time periods,

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some of which clearly
predate her contact
with Kenneth Countie.

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[Tussey] <i>I mean,</i>
<i>not all of this blood</i>
<i>was fresh.</i>

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Which really begs the question
that if she killed
Kenneth Countie,

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then who else
might she have killed?

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[man]
<i>It would be premature</i>
<i>at this point,</i>

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<i>given the stage</i>
<i>of the investigation</i>
<i>we're at now,</i>

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<i>to talk about foul play.</i>

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[Tussey] <i>In these recordings,</i>

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it seems like LaBarre
is just torturing
Kenneth Countie.

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He's answering these questions
usually with one word answers.

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<i>It makes you wonder.</i>
<i>Is she standing over him</i>
<i>with a weapon?</i>

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<i>She talks about</i>
<i>how her life is valuable</i>
<i>and his is just a game,</i>

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<i>so therefore,</i>
<i>it really doesn't matter.</i>

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<i>And it exemplifies</i>
<i>the psychopathic trait</i>

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<i>of having this callous</i>
<i>disregard for humanity.</i>

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When we think
of the grooming process,

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it involves an individual
kind of establishing trust

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and a secure relationship
with someone

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so that they feel
that they're looking out
for their best interest.

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<i>In this case, we know</i>
<i>that Kenny suffered</i>

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<i>from very significant</i>
<i>cognitive deficits</i>

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that interfered
with his judgment
and decision-making,

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and that he was
very susceptible
to the ideas of others

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and could be
very easily manipulated.

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[Michael] <i>2004.</i>
<i>This tape is for my mother.</i>

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You really messed me up.

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And if it wasn't for Sheila,
I wouldn't know
half the things I know.

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[Sahni] <i>What was known</i>
<i>to authorities at that point</i>

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<i>is that Michael Deloge</i>
<i>had been missing</i>
<i>for some time.</i>

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<i>He was homeless.</i>

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He was recovering
from some difficulties

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with mental illness
and addiction.

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<i>But the last time</i>
<i>he was seen alive</i>
<i>was on LaBarre's property.</i>

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<i>They find audio recordings</i>
<i>and video that LaBarre</i>
<i>has created of Michael Deloge,</i>

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and it seems
eerily familiar to the audio

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that they listened to
between LaBarre
and Kenneth Countie.

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[Rosenberg]
<i>We're seeing LaBarre</i>

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coerce a false confession
out of Michael.

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We can only presume
how she did that.

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But based
on the physical injury

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she inflicted
on Kenneth Countie,

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<i>you can imagine that</i>
<i>physical violence</i>
<i>was involved.</i>

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This is where I live.

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This is what we do.

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We go around
picking up sticks,

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and before you get
into some tangent

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about my scratch on my face,
this is how it happened.

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[Rosenberg] <i>It seems like</i>
<i>she gets gratification</i>

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from almost
psychological torture
and from harming other people.

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<i>It seems to me</i>
<i>that she equates love</i>
<i>with sex and violence.</i>

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The pattern
that starts to emerge

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with Sheila LaBarre
is a predatory offender

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who looks
for particularly young
and vulnerable males.

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<i>She lures them in.</i>

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When people think about
sadistic offenders,

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most often
they think about men.

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But the reality
is paraphilic
or deviant interests

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can pop up in men or women.

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<i>And in the case of LaBarre,</i>
<i>based on what we know</i>
<i>about her history,</i>

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<i>there are some</i>
<i>good indications</i>

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<i>that she has a strange</i>
<i>sexual arousal pattern</i>

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that may have to do
with violence towards men.

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<i>And it's a slow</i>
<i>buildup for her.</i>

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<i>It involves</i>
<i>a coercive relationship,</i>
<i>and fear, and threats.</i>

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And when she's done with them,

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the ultimate climax for her,
the ultimate moment
of arousal for her

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is the process
of killing them.

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[Sahni] <i>Dr. LaBarre tells her,</i>

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"Over my dead body
is when you're going to get
your name on the deed."

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<i>She adopted</i>
<i>and assumed his life,</i>

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<i>and his home,</i>
<i>and his property.</i>

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<i>And shortly thereafter,</i>
<i>he died,</i>

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<i>and she ended up</i>
<i>staking claim</i>
<i>to his entire estate.</i>

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Her arrogance and narcissism,

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and belief that she's smarter
than everyone else

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continues to be
her guiding post.

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Sheila LaBarre presents
as someone who's pretty cold,
and callous,

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and manipulative.

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[Rosenberg]
<i>It's really relevant here</i>
<i>to consider the fact</i>

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that the way that they met
is through a call girl ad.

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<i>LaBarre was, I believe,</i>
<i>in her 20s or 30s,</i>

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and there was maybe
a 40-year age difference
in the two,

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and he was relatively wealthy.

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And you have to wonder,
you know,

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was this a purposeful plan
that was designed to entrap
a wealthy man

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<i>who could then provide for her</i>

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<i>and give her</i>
<i>a sense of security?</i>

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I see her as somebody
who's always thinking out
her next step

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of how can she
take advantage of somebody
to satisfy her own needs?

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[Tussey] <i>Interestingly enough,</i>
<i>she was married to at least</i>
<i>one other person</i>

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<i>while she was still</i>
<i>in a relationship</i>
<i>with Dr. LaBarre.</i>

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And her ex-husband
that she was married to

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while she was still
in a relationship
with Dr. LaBarre

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has come forward and said
that she actually asked him
to murder Dr. LaBarre.

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[male reporter 1]
<i>The human bones,</i>
<i>blood, and DNA</i>

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<i>found at Sheila LaBarre's</i>
<i>Epping farm,</i>

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<i>is known to belong</i>
<i>to Michael Deloge</i>
<i>and Kenneth Countie.</i>

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<i>The fact their bodies</i>
<i>were burned is clear.</i>

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[male reporter 2]
<i>Investigators digging up</i>
<i>the septic system</i>

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<i>uncovered more evidence</i>

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<i>including toe bones</i>
<i>that do not match</i>
<i>either man's DNA.</i>

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[male reporter 3]
<i>Sheila LaBarre,</i>

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<i>the woman suspected</i>
<i>in the murders of at least</i>
<i>two missing men</i>

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<i>in Epping, New Hampshire,</i>
<i>is in custody</i>

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<i>after authorities</i>
<i>received a tip</i>

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<i>that she'd been spotted</i>
<i>in Revere, Massachusetts.</i>

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<i>According to police,</i>
<i>she had tried</i>
<i>to change her appearance</i>

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<i>and was using an alias</i>
<i>when she was finally caught.</i>

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I think her level
of narcissism and arrogance
is so significant

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that Sheila LaBarre
really thought
she was above the law,

291
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she would never get caught.

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<i>If she just kept burning</i>
<i>her victims,</i>

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<i>nobody would ever catch her.</i>

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<i>And what I think</i>
<i>is more likely</i>

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is that she has
a sadistic preoccupation
with sexuality,

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with child sexual molestation.

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[female reporter]
<i>The LaBarre trial</i>

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<i>is not about</i>
<i>whether she murdered</i>

299
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<i>Michael Deloge</i>
<i>and Kenneth Countie,</i>

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<i>but rather her state of mind</i>
<i>at the time.</i>

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[male reporter]
<i>The jurors will decide</i>

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<i>was LaBarre insane at the time</i>

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<i>she admittedly killed</i>
<i>her boyfriends Kenneth Countie</i>
<i>and Michael Deloge?</i>

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I want you to think
about a woman who truly
believes she is an angel.

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A spirit
walking amongst the living,

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who has returned to Earth
for some special purpose.

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[male reporter]
<i>Her attorney said</i>
<i>LaBarre thought</i>

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<i>that being a notary public</i>
<i>gave her special powers.</i>

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And she believes those powers

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gives her the ability
to become judge,

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jury, and executioner.

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[Rosenberg]
<i>LaBarre made statements</i>
<i>that she was sent from God</i>

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to be some sort of vigilante,
angel, religious figure

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who was responsible
for killing or for vetting out
pedophiles.

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So that, to me, is a delusion

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that I think is born
out of a serious
mental illness.

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<i>But ultimately,</i>
<i>in doing these evaluations,</i>

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<i>we're looking for evidence</i>
<i>to suggest that they knew</i>

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<i>what they were doing</i>
<i>was wrong.</i>

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She doesn't call the police.

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She lies, she lies,
and she lies.

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She conceals evidence
and then she leaves the state.

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And that indicates
that she very much knew

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that the behavior
she engaged in was wrong.

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We called her Crazy Sheila.

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I think
being sexually abused
by her father

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created this
like fusion of love,
and hatred, and sex

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that really plays out
in her adulthood.

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<i>I think she has</i>
<i>some perversions,</i>
<i>maybe even a paraphilia,</i>

330
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<i>where anything related</i>
<i>to that content is arousing.</i>

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[Sahni]
<i>While we do sometimes see,</i>

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<i>in cases</i>
<i>of psychopathic individuals,</i>

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early trauma,
extreme violence,

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extreme sexual assault,
extreme neglect,

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<i>sometimes contribute</i>
<i>to that psychopathic</i>
<i>personality.</i>

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And it's also
really important to note

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that the vast majority
of people who experience

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child sexual abuse,
child physical abuse,

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neglect, while growing up,

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do not go on
to harm other people

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and do not go on to develop
into psychopathic
human beings.

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[LaBarre]
<i>♪ I guess you had it coming ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I guess you had it coming ♪</i>

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<i>♪ If I had to choose</i>
<i>A punishment for you ♪</i>

345
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<i>♪ I guess you had it coming ♪</i>

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♪

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♪


